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Post by guest on Nov 13, 2012 19:27:32 GMT -5
lol who ever thinks people are running 3,000 dollar shocks is crazy maybe late model guys.i dont see anyone spending 30,000 on a car ump or imca lol...and them there quick changes are not out running you if you have a 9'' ford rear end a 9'' ford takes less power to turn so dont complain there..just outlaw the class run ump body rules and have a open tire rule drivers choice they can run either or which is what the rule is now. same thing on the motor anything goes just no alluminum block
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Post by bleed dirt on Nov 13, 2012 20:04:25 GMT -5
::)come on guys it is true that there are alot of good imca cars out there and some awsome wheel men that run em. Also some good ump cars that would like to run at duck. the botom line is with out good carcounts the interest is lost in the class you lose fan support , promotors start cutting purses, and eventualy they do away with the class. Open wheelers it is up to all of us to build the class to what it could be, imca guys your not being penalized , cause your imca rules you can run the same thing ump guys are it was either or if you choose not to thats ok to you still can compete with out spending any more money than you ever did! Trust me there are imca cars out there not going to have any problem competing with ump cars
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Post by Guest on Nov 14, 2012 17:20:13 GMT -5
I agree it's great to see the openwheels back at duck but its getting like most of the other classes one or two cars dominate every week as a openwheel racer I would like to see a class like an e mod class ran at duckriver I think that would get a lot of attention not only from the experienced drivers but from new comers as well.
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Post by The Streak on Nov 15, 2012 10:18:32 GMT -5
I'm casting my vote for ALL steel engines, 48# crank minimum, flat top or dish pistons, open tires, any locked rearend, steel body non-adjustable shocks, and $650 and swap claim rule. Big motors are all good and well, I've won more races with a good setup than I have a big motor by a long shot though.
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Post by bleed dirt on Nov 15, 2012 13:00:36 GMT -5
The all steel engine will keep the ump cars from coming. We need them there is just not enough other cars out there. Give the guys with all steel motors a weigth break like 2350 mayby a bigger blade on rear as well. Why not do what works with late models and have good car counts.
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Post by guest on Nov 15, 2012 18:16:57 GMT -5
don't imca allow aluminum heads? if im right they do but say u must run 50 lbs of weight on the front so why are there imca cars not unbolting that weight since its imca/ump rules to me the imca cars should be like hey we can take off our weight since the rules are open??? now i know a steel headed motor can run with a aluminum headed motor and win anytime so to me the spoiler should be the same for either but i have an idea if you choose to run a ump tire then lets say 5'' spoiler max...and if you choose to run a imca tire lets say 8'' spoiler for them sound good to anyone????and i do not like a $650 swap rule at all heck you cant put a junkyard motor together for that.
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Post by TNT on Nov 15, 2012 20:58:21 GMT -5
24. ENGINE SPECIFICATIONS: Any American make steel engine block allowed. Aftermarket and OEM performance blocks allowed. Cast iron or aluminum intake manifolds only. Steel cylinder heads and oil pan only.
Copied from 2012 IMCA Rules........steel heads only.
Is that last post "triple C"? Sounds like u with terms like heck and lol
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Post by guest on Nov 15, 2012 21:27:52 GMT -5
i went and looked at duck rivers rules it says that cars with aluminum heads add #50lbs in front and that was there rule with the imca cars before ump was allowed so i just assumed it was a imca rule since duck ran the imca rules. so with that said i guess the imca cars should be allowed to take that off since ump dont have to run weight because they have aluminum heads.i believe that is fair they dont need punished for that.come on people lets keep ideas coming to be able to run these cars with eachother
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Post by Guest on Nov 16, 2012 0:04:59 GMT -5
No one likes the engine claim rule wat about putting them on a engine cubic inch and compression rules steel heads no adjustable shocks solid body only and IMCA style tires.
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Post by ccc on Nov 16, 2012 13:03:50 GMT -5
Nope TNT, wasn't me. I'm not affraid to say I know nothing about the open wheels to even be in this conversation. I do use those words alot though. When you text alot with your kids, LOL is pretty common term to use, and my country "slang" comes out when I say Heck. Its all good though. I love my Southern Pride. See ya at the track! HECK, LOL
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Post by JEnks on Nov 17, 2012 13:51:30 GMT -5
Simple fix.. Run both classes for one season. A mod an B mod. The following season if one class car count is struggling, drop it! I wouldnt run off the UMP cars. Or any group of cars willing to race... Let the guys that like open wheel stock cars run b mod, let the a- mod be UMP outlaws. If duck river hosted a full blown UMP event and advertised for months with a $1500 or more to win Open wheel event, it would be a big turnout!
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Post by The Streak on Nov 17, 2012 15:58:25 GMT -5
Hell let's just go with steel body non adjustable shocks, imca tires, 8" spoiler across the board, add 50# in front of firewall for alum heads
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Post by allen sands on Nov 19, 2012 19:34:53 GMT -5
I don't have a problem adding weight, for aluminum heads. Big motors, can hurt you just as much if not more on small tracks. I have seen steel headed motors outrun plenty of aluminumheads on ashault & on dirt. Iam used to running open motor rules, I started off running small steel heade motors & still have one in our car. I beleive in running what you can afford, I want to run my open wheel, so no matter if I have to run my small motor, Iam going to , but I am not going to cry if I get outrun by a big motor. I don't go expecting to win at anytime, but would like to, & I know I aint going to get rich, just here to have fun, but winning would be fun. Run what you brung or stay home.
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Post by rdj11 on Nov 20, 2012 13:46:48 GMT -5
I don't see a need for a motor claim,but i think the imca type rules will create a more competative and affordable class of cars.With all the ideas and opinions, people are giving maybe they can come up with something. A couple of local tracks have posted[2013] rules the openwheels,they are going with e-mod,b-mod rules,which i think are about the same.I sure would like to see the openwheels back.
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Post by Winner on Nov 20, 2012 16:34:09 GMT -5
I have a friend who runs open wheel and he did very good in the race this last weekend. I don't see what all of the complaining is about. the car is a 12 yr old leaf spring car that's not even suppose to complete with the good IMCA cars much less the UMP cars. He runs at Duck River very often and does really good against the others. I don't know what all of the fuss is about!!! Come on, let's just race.
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